clorox anywhere spray

[Michael A. Ball]

On 16 Mar 2006 22:46:15 -0800, "Sawney Beane" <beadle1833@fmail.co.uk> wrote:

>...
>Salmonella is everywhere...

I believe you are thinking of Staph, but, if you can show a reference to document your
statement, I'll stand corrected.

School - Four walls with tomorrow inside.

[Michael A. Ball]

On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 22:50:51 -0000, "Mrs Bonk" <arse@cuteyspamout.com> wrote:

>BeesMom9905 wrote:
>> New question - People are carrying bottles of rubbing alcohol w/ them
>> for shopping carts and public toilets...
>
>Are you serious? What on earth is it coming to, cleaning shopping trolleys?
>cleaning public toilets?

I looked up front my table at a restaurant last night, and there was a mother, her young
son (~7) and a pump bottle of hand sanitizer! As I watched, the little boy dropped some of
his food in his lap, onto his chair, and eventually ate it. I was thinking he might ought
to rub some of that sanitizing in his mouth. :-)

Practice safe eating - always use condiments.

[Michael A. Ball]

On Fri, 17 Mar 2006 10:27:21 -0500, Sawney Beane <beadleXX@qwickconnect.net> wrote:

>...Washing the egg sounds like good sanitation, but if
>you aren't careful, infected water will be drawn through to pores
>and infect the egg.
>
>For the small operation, it's safer to remove the visible dirt with
>sandpaper. There will be some germs left, but after 24 hours with
>no dirt on the shell to live on, most of the bacteria will be dead.
> That's an example where simply removing dirt sanitizes.
>...

No comments: just shaking my head in disbelief.


Practice safe eating - always use condiments.

[Michael A. Ball]

On 16 Mar 2006 17:27:18 -0800, "Sawney Beane" <beadle1833@fmail.co.uk> wrote:

>My aunt liked it for cleaning operating rooms because it shined the
>stainless steel...

>> You might want to consider a sanitizing, popup towelette.
>
>They seem to use quats or phenols.

I don't think your aunt would have done that very long, if the O.R. Supervisor, or the
infection control nurse had found out about it.

If an environmental services employee of mine got caught doing that, I'd give her the
choice of being retrained or replaced--for jeopardizing the hospital so carelessly.

I do not believe you can find even one source of towelettes that use a phenolic as the
disinfectant. Phenol is the crystalline form of carbolic acid. Frankly, it doesn't cause
me any trouble, but no manufacturer would invite the public to burn their skin with a
phenolic soaked disinfectant.


Some trees are ever green.

[Mrs Bonk]

Nan wrote:
> On Fri, 17 Mar 2006 00:40:59 -0000, "Mrs Bonk" <arse@cuteyspamout.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Nan wrote:
>
>>> I watched a show once that had a scientist state that the dirtiest
>>> area of a public toilet is the floor. I say, just don't lick the
>>> floor ;-)
>>> All this sanitizing is making kids immune systems too weak to fight
>>> off the bugs they're encountering everywhere else.
>>
>> As babies mine put everything they could hold into their mouths - as
>> babies and toddlers do. Obviously if something was particularly grubby
>> or had been dropped into something unsavoury then that would have
>> special treatment but most of the toys were outgrown before they had a
>> wash to be then passed on. I have a few toys still here that the
>> grandchildren have played with and I never thought to wash any of them.
>
> Same here. I think I sanitized my daughter's pacifier once, when I
> saw the cat batting it around on the floor. Who knows how often the
> cat *really* played with it ;-)
>
> The truth is, germs aren't all *bad*, and aggressive eradication of
> all of them has severe drawbacks.

I suppose that the good bacteria needed by our bodies get destroyed along
with the bad so then we become ill as we haven't the same good protection
and possibly could end up breeding superbugs that none of us could cope
with- we all know the results on the overuse of antibiotics.

>> I wonder how dirty coins are. They are handled by many and end up in all
>> sorts of places yet the women at my local fruit machine hall , if they
>> can't get the coin into the slot , pop coins into their mouths then put
>> them in the machine. By rights they should all be dead!
>
> Well, I know from my stints at cashiering that money is filthy. When
> I'd wash my hands during a break, the soapy water from my hands was
> always brown-ish.

Yes, money can be extremely dirty but does "dirt" equate to germs? One's
hands can be quite brown and dirty looking after handling peat but a lot of
peat is sterile and I was assured by a mushroom grower that I could eat raw
mushrooms without washing them as there was nothing in his peat that would
harm me. I still like to give them a quick wipe though, just in case.

[Mrs Bonk]

Nan wrote:
> On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 22:17:34 -0600, Piper
> <piperetteMYSOCKS@direcway.com> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 17 Mar 2006 00:29:01 -0000, "Mrs Bonk" <arse@cuteyspamout.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Michael A. Ball wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 22:50:51 -0000, "Mrs Bonk" <arse@cuteyspamout.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> BeesMom9905 wrote:
>>>>>> New question - People are carrying bottles of rubbing alcohol...
>>>>>
>>>>> Are you serious? What on earth is it coming to, cleaning shopping
>>>>> trolleys? cleaning public toilets?
>>>>> dear oh dear
>>>>
>>>> Well, just what is "it"? And what do you think it is coming to? LOL
>>>> :-) I know what "it" is, but I do not know where it will end. Maybe
>>>> Tyvek gear and full-face respirators for all. :-)
>>>
>>> I would think one would have more chance of liver failure from the
>>> rubbing alcohol or possibly burning to death from a leaky bottle of
>>> surgical spirit and a carelessly thrown dog -end than the chance of
>>> expiring from a supermarket trolley handle infection-but I could be
>>> wrong.
>>
>> You are wrong. The mother of a good friend contracted salmonella from
>> a cart. She was elderly and nearly died but for a wise doctor who
>> questioned everything she did and everywhere she'd been.
>
> Anecdote is not Data. Everyone everywhere has a "I know a guy who"
> story that can back up their opinion.
>
> Hey, many of us grew up not wearing seatbelts, and carseats weren't
> even heard of.... does that fact make carseats and seatbelts
> unnecessary? Not at all.
>
> If you have hard data showing the what Mrs B is looking for, then
> you'd have a valid claim.

not if I could find more people who died on my terms - I did say one would
have "more chance"
This one almost fits the bill. What a silly man
http://www.channel3000.com/news/1693622/detail.html

[Mrs Bonk]

Michael A. Ball wrote:
> On 16 Mar 2006 17:27:18 -0800, "Sawney Beane" <beadle1833@fmail.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> My aunt liked it for cleaning operating rooms because it shined the
>> stainless steel...
>
>>> You might want to consider a sanitizing, popup towelette.
>>
>> They seem to use quats or phenols.
>
> I don't think your aunt would have done that very long, if the O.R.
> Supervisor, or the infection control nurse had found out about it.

I doubt they had O.R. supervisors or infection control nurses in his Aunt's
time. Correct me if i am wrong but it IS surgical spirits isn't it? It's
still being used in some hospital operating theatres today, maybe not in the
USA, I wouldn't know that but certainly some hospitals are still grateful
for it.

[Michael A. Ball]

On Fri, 17 Mar 2006 23:21:55 -0000, "Mrs Bonk" <arse@cuteyspamout.com> wrote:

>I doubt they had O.R. supervisors or infection control nurses in his Aunt's
>time. Correct me if i am wrong but it IS surgical spirits isn't it? It's
>still being used in some hospital operating theatres today, maybe not in the
>USA, I wouldn't know that but certainly some hospitals are still grateful
>for it.

I had not heard the term "surgical spirits before you used it--yesterday. I just now
looked it up. "Surgical spirit: ethanol to which has been added a small amount of
methanol to render it unfit to drink. It is used to sterilize surfaces and to cleanse skin
abrasions and sores."

You might already know this, but ethanol (ethyl alcohol, a.k.a. grain alcohol), an
accepted toxin, is a two carbon atom substance. Methanol (methyl alcohol, a.k.a. wood
alcohol), a recognized and avoided toxin, is a single carbon atom substance.

Even ethyl alcohol is too random and inconsistent to be suitable for OR. Of course, there
are OR where anything would be appreciated. Even with what we have here in the US, the
incidence of nosocomial [hospital-acquired] infections is unbelievably high.



A dog's life is too short; their only fault really.