Pressure Vacuum Cleaner for Whole House

[Nehmo Sergheyev]

Whole house vacuum clearer systems have access ports (inlets) where a
user can plug-in a flexible pick-up tube. Behind the access ports are
tubes that lead to a central vacuum clearer. The user aims the end of
the flexible pick-up tube at the dirt, and the suction takes the dirt
via the tubes to a container in the central vacuum cleaner. This
article describes one setup: http://snipurl.com/ottj

The vacuum cleaner itself is larger and perhaps has a quieter motor
than portable units, but it's conventional in design. A fan covered by
a dust filter provides the suction.

But what about positioning the motor and fan on the other side of the
dirt? Make the house airtight, and when using the vacuum close the
usual exhaust ports, like the ones for the kitchen and bathrooms. Make
an opening from the outside of the house to the inside, and have a fan
in it blowing through a filter (for pollen etc.) toward the inside. In
other words, have a fan that pressurizes the house. Behind each access
port, have a tube goes directly to a screened-in container outside. The
user closes up the house, starts the pressurizing fan, and uses the
flexible pick-up tubes as in the conventional arrangement. Dust and
gases get removed from the house, and the larger pieces of trash get
caught in the screened-in containers.

I see advantages to this kind of system:

The tube system is simple and cheap.

Short tubes going outside are unlikely to clog.

Instead of capturing most of the dust as with a conventional unit, you
exhaust the dust to the outside. This exhaust doesn't need much of a
filter. A screen would prevent you from littering the neighborhood.

Relatively clean incoming air goes to the fine filter. This would need
infrequent replacement.

Pick-up tubes can be different sizes.

There's a possibility of quiet operation.


Would this be a practical system? Has anybody ever seen anything like
it?

--
(||) Nehmo (||)

[Gav]

Nehmo Sergheyev wrote:
> Whole house vacuum clearer systems have access ports (inlets) where a
> user can plug-in a flexible pick-up tube. Behind the access ports are
> tubes that lead to a central vacuum clearer. The user aims the end of
> the flexible pick-up tube at the dirt, and the suction takes the dirt
> via the tubes to a container in the central vacuum cleaner. This
> article describes one setup: http://snipurl.com/ottj
>
> The vacuum cleaner itself is larger and perhaps has a quieter motor
> than portable units, but it's conventional in design. A fan covered by
> a dust filter provides the suction.
>
> But what about positioning the motor and fan on the other side of the
> dirt? Make the house airtight, and when using the vacuum close the
> usual exhaust ports, like the ones for the kitchen and bathrooms. Make
> an opening from the outside of the house to the inside, and have a fan
> in it blowing through a filter (for pollen etc.) toward the inside. In
> other words, have a fan that pressurizes the house. Behind each access
> port, have a tube goes directly to a screened-in container outside. The
> user closes up the house, starts the pressurizing fan, and uses the
> flexible pick-up tubes as in the conventional arrangement. Dust and
> gases get removed from the house, and the larger pieces of trash get
> caught in the screened-in containers.
>
> I see advantages to this kind of system:
>
> The tube system is simple and cheap.
>
> Short tubes going outside are unlikely to clog.
>
> Instead of capturing most of the dust as with a conventional unit, you
> exhaust the dust to the outside. This exhaust doesn't need much of a
> filter. A screen would prevent you from littering the neighborhood.
>
> Relatively clean incoming air goes to the fine filter. This would need
> infrequent replacement.
>
> Pick-up tubes can be different sizes.
>
> There's a possibility of quiet operation.
>
>
> Would this be a practical system? Has anybody ever seen anything like
> it?
>
just buy a dyson man! but if you invent a system that can dust, hoover
and cook (other than marriage) let me know!

[Vortex]

>> Would this be a practical system? Has anybody ever seen anything like
>> it?
> just buy a dyson man! but if you invent a system that can dust, hoover and
> cook (other than marriage) let me know!

I wouldn't use a Dyson to stop my car rolling down the road.

Buy a Henry and with the money you save...a lifetime supply of bags.

D

[PipeDown]

"Nehmo Sergheyev" <nehmo54@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1144441129.471545.19160@v46g2000cwv.googlegro ups.com...
> Whole house vacuum clearer systems have access ports (inlets) where a
> user can plug-in a flexible pick-up tube. Behind the access ports are
> tubes that lead to a central vacuum clearer. The user aims the end of
> the flexible pick-up tube at the dirt, and the suction takes the dirt
> via the tubes to a container in the central vacuum cleaner. This
> article describes one setup: http://snipurl.com/ottj
>
> The vacuum cleaner itself is larger and perhaps has a quieter motor
> than portable units, but it's conventional in design. A fan covered by
> a dust filter provides the suction.
>
> But what about positioning the motor and fan on the other side of the
> dirt? Make the house airtight, and when using the vacuum close the
> usual exhaust ports, like the ones for the kitchen and bathrooms. Make
> an opening from the outside of the house to the inside, and have a fan
> in it blowing through a filter (for pollen etc.) toward the inside. In
> other words, have a fan that pressurizes the house. Behind each access
> port, have a tube goes directly to a screened-in container outside. The
> user closes up the house, starts the pressurizing fan, and uses the
> flexible pick-up tubes as in the conventional arrangement. Dust and
> gases get removed from the house, and the larger pieces of trash get
> caught in the screened-in containers.
>
> I see advantages to this kind of system:
>
> The tube system is simple and cheap.
>
> Short tubes going outside are unlikely to clog.
>
> Instead of capturing most of the dust as with a conventional unit, you
> exhaust the dust to the outside. This exhaust doesn't need much of a
> filter. A screen would prevent you from littering the neighborhood.
>
> Relatively clean incoming air goes to the fine filter. This would need
> infrequent replacement.
>
> Pick-up tubes can be different sizes.
>
> There's a possibility of quiet operation.
>
>
> Would this be a practical system? Has anybody ever seen anything like
> it?
>
> --
> (||) Nehmo (||)
>

It would not be practical because
1. You would never be able to seal a house as well as you wanted and if you
did, you would not be able to sell the concept to many customers. You would
need to seal better than tyou would for caulking cold air entry.

2. You could not open a door or have kids entering or leaving the house
while you cleaned. "Kids we are on lockdown until I finish blowing the dirt
out" (it is not a vacuum)

3. It will hurt your ears when you have a bad sinus day due to the rising
and falling baromatric pressure in the house.

4. Air is compressable, so even if you switched on a compressor with X cfm
airflow, the airflow at the exit port would be less and delayed acording to
how much air volume in the house there is. Airflow would be slow at the
exit port.

4. Most of the compressed air in the room would flow right over the dirt to
get to the exit tube, leaving most of the dirt inside the carpet.

5. It would force dust further into the carpet as air leaked through the
unsealed subfloor

Can I blow any more holes in your idea.

It would and does work for smoke removal though.

[Mike Halmarack]

On 7 Apr 2006 13:18:49 -0700, "Nehmo Sergheyev" <nehmo54@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>Would this be a practical system? Has anybody ever seen anything like
>it?


No but inevitably it's going to come down one side or the other.
Your sucker blows.
OR
Your blower sucks.

Plummeting swan filters would add some topicality.
--
Regards,
Mike Halmarack

Drop the (EGG) to email me.

[hallerb@aol.com]

my dad made a interesting observation about his brand new home with
central vac.

he remarked and my step mom agreed the central vacs hose is harder to
manuver and manipulate than a standard vac. although it probably cleans
a bit better

[Jeff Wisnia]

Nehmo Sergheyev wrote:

> Whole house vacuum clearer systems have access ports (inlets) where a
> user can plug-in a flexible pick-up tube. Behind the access ports are
> tubes that lead to a central vacuum clearer. The user aims the end of
> the flexible pick-up tube at the dirt, and the suction takes the dirt
> via the tubes to a container in the central vacuum cleaner. This
> article describes one setup: http://snipurl.com/ottj
>
> The vacuum cleaner itself is larger and perhaps has a quieter motor
> than portable units, but it's conventional in design. A fan covered by
> a dust filter provides the suction.
>
> But what about positioning the motor and fan on the other side of the
> dirt? Make the house airtight, and when using the vacuum close the
> usual exhaust ports, like the ones for the kitchen and bathrooms. Make
> an opening from the outside of the house to the inside, and have a fan
> in it blowing through a filter (for pollen etc.) toward the inside. In
> other words, have a fan that pressurizes the house. Behind each access
> port, have a tube goes directly to a screened-in container outside. The
> user closes up the house, starts the pressurizing fan, and uses the
> flexible pick-up tubes as in the conventional arrangement. Dust and
> gases get removed from the house, and the larger pieces of trash get
> caught in the screened-in containers.
>
> I see advantages to this kind of system:
>
> The tube system is simple and cheap.
>
> Short tubes going outside are unlikely to clog.
>
> Instead of capturing most of the dust as with a conventional unit, you
> exhaust the dust to the outside. This exhaust doesn't need much of a
> filter. A screen would prevent you from littering the neighborhood.
>
> Relatively clean incoming air goes to the fine filter. This would need
> infrequent replacement.
>
> Pick-up tubes can be different sizes.
>
> There's a possibility of quiet operation.
>
>
> Would this be a practical system? Has anybody ever seen anything like
> it?
>


You missed April Fool's Day by 6 days....

This has to be a troll, nobody could be THAT stupid...


Jeff

--
Jeffry Wisnia

(W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE)

"Truth exists; only falsehood has to be invented."

[PipeDown]

>
> You missed April Fool's Day by 6 days....
>
> This has to be a troll, nobody could be THAT stupid...
>
>
R U sure. Usually trollers make up a name for the session or use it to make
many stupid posts. This guy's handle shows up robustly on google with lots
of no nonsense posts. An inventive dreamer perhaps.