Improving terrible soil in a lawn?

[Dave]

I have a section of lawn in a shady area that seems to have become too
miserable to keep grass growing thickly. The grass is sparse. Applying
fertilizer and grass seed does not seem to have much effect. It is
clay soil and well packed. I don't know if I need to apply something
or simply give up and rototill in a load of horse manure? Any
semi-expert opinions? Thanks.

[Peter H]

"Dave" <galt_57@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> I have a section of lawn in a shady area that seems to have become too
> miserable to keep grass growing thickly. The grass is sparse. Applying
> fertilizer and grass seed does not seem to have much effect. It is
> clay soil and well packed. I don't know if I need to apply something
> or simply give up and rototill in a load of horse manure? Any
> semi-expert opinions? Thanks.

Shady area need less fertilization not more. That might be part of your
problem.

I've had great success w/ Creeping Red Fescue in southern Ontario, Canada
for shady areas. It never fills in like Bluegrass, but seems to take in very
tough situations.

Peter H

[Peter H]

"Dave" <galt_57@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:5591d176.0406291354.2c134e66@posting.google.c om...
> I have a section of lawn in a shady area that seems to have become too
> miserable to keep grass growing thickly. The grass is sparse. Applying
> fertilizer and grass seed does not seem to have much effect. It is
> clay soil and well packed. I don't know if I need to apply something
> or simply give up and rototill in a load of horse manure? Any
> semi-expert opinions? Thanks.

Shady area need less fertilization not more. That might be part of your
problem.

I've had great success w/ Creeping Red Fescue in southern Ontario, Canada
for shady areas. It never fills in like Bluegrass, but seems to take in very
tough situations.

Peter H

[Peter H]

"Dave" <galt_57@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:5591d176.0406291354.2c134e66@posting.google.c om...
> I have a section of lawn in a shady area that seems to have become too
> miserable to keep grass growing thickly. The grass is sparse. Applying
> fertilizer and grass seed does not seem to have much effect. It is
> clay soil and well packed. I don't know if I need to apply something
> or simply give up and rototill in a load of horse manure? Any
> semi-expert opinions? Thanks.

Shady area need less fertilization not more. That might be part of your
problem.

I've had great success w/ Creeping Red Fescue in southern Ontario, Canada
for shady areas. It never fills in like Bluegrass, but seems to take in very
tough situations.

Peter H

[Peter H]

"Dave" <galt_57@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:5591d176.0406291354.2c134e66@posting.google.c om...
> I have a section of lawn in a shady area that seems to have become too
> miserable to keep grass growing thickly. The grass is sparse. Applying
> fertilizer and grass seed does not seem to have much effect. It is
> clay soil and well packed. I don't know if I need to apply something
> or simply give up and rototill in a load of horse manure? Any
> semi-expert opinions? Thanks.

Shady area need less fertilization not more. That might be part of your
problem.

I've had great success w/ Creeping Red Fescue in southern Ontario, Canada
for shady areas. It never fills in like Bluegrass, but seems to take in very
tough situations.

Peter H

[Srgnt Bilko]

"Dave" <galt_57@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:5591d176.0406291354.2c134e66@posting.google.c om...
> I have a section of lawn in a shady area that seems to have become too
> miserable to keep grass growing thickly. The grass is sparse. Applying
> fertilizer and grass seed does not seem to have much effect. It is
> clay soil and well packed. I don't know if I need to apply something
> or simply give up and rototill in a load of horse manure? Any
> semi-expert opinions? Thanks.

Not even a "semi" here - but I have clay, clay, and more clay - and the
grass keeps growing - but for the most part it is very wet in the spring.
There is a "clay buster" avaailable but the name is not coming to me right
now. Somebody will come up with it - it's a common solution - and availble
at most garden centers around here.

[Srgnt Bilko]

"Dave" <galt_57@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:5591d176.0406291354.2c134e66@posting.google.c om...
> I have a section of lawn in a shady area that seems to have become too
> miserable to keep grass growing thickly. The grass is sparse. Applying
> fertilizer and grass seed does not seem to have much effect. It is
> clay soil and well packed. I don't know if I need to apply something
> or simply give up and rototill in a load of horse manure? Any
> semi-expert opinions? Thanks.

Not even a "semi" here - but I have clay, clay, and more clay - and the
grass keeps growing - but for the most part it is very wet in the spring.
There is a "clay buster" avaailable but the name is not coming to me right
now. Somebody will come up with it - it's a common solution - and availble
at most garden centers around here.

[Srgnt Bilko]

"Dave" <galt_57@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:5591d176.0406291354.2c134e66@posting.google.c om...
> I have a section of lawn in a shady area that seems to have become too
> miserable to keep grass growing thickly. The grass is sparse. Applying
> fertilizer and grass seed does not seem to have much effect. It is
> clay soil and well packed. I don't know if I need to apply something
> or simply give up and rototill in a load of horse manure? Any
> semi-expert opinions? Thanks.

Not even a "semi" here - but I have clay, clay, and more clay - and the
grass keeps growing - but for the most part it is very wet in the spring.
There is a "clay buster" avaailable but the name is not coming to me right
now. Somebody will come up with it - it's a common solution - and availble
at most garden centers around here.