Cleaners that are ok for the environment in home and outside

[Concerned Parent]

If any one is looking, I know a company where I buy natural cleaners
(household and laundry) that are a wonderful blessing for familes. So
far I have thrown away (not used up) my bleach products and other harsh
chemicals and use only the new products...what a difference! I can now
breath easy and know that my family is not being subjected to harmful
chemical fillers. Is anyone interested? My wife and I were introduced
a couple months back and now we are independant marketers of this
company. We both truly believe in the importance of removing the
harmful chemicals from our home and stopping the polution that is
released to the environment from our washing machine and dishwasher.

[Laura]

Would this be a multilevel marketing company like Melaleuca? Sorry,
but:

1. Their structure makes their products unnecessarily expensive. Add
to that their annual fees.

2. Some, like Melaleuca, may get you to sign a sort of contract, and
then getting out can be difficult.

3. There are numerous other companies that sell environmentally
friendly products without any strings attached. You can also find
recipes for making your own, often for very little cost.

4. One of my birds is still recovering from an extended illness, and
I suspect exposure to melaleuca oil was a factor. The stuff
penetrates through the skin and has been known to poison small
animals. My vet found it listed on an animal poison control site.
The whole experience has left me distrustful of essential oils in
general.

Laura

On 10 Feb 2005 20:55:09 -0800, "Concerned Parent"
<r_vongleich@hotmail.com> wrote:

>If any one is looking, I know a company where I buy natural cleaners
>(household and laundry) that are a wonderful blessing for familes. So
>far I have thrown away (not used up) my bleach products and other harsh
>chemicals and use only the new products...what a difference! I can now
>breath easy and know that my family is not being subjected to harmful
>chemical fillers. Is anyone interested? My wife and I were introduced
>a couple months back and now we are independant marketers of this
>company. We both truly believe in the importance of removing the
>harmful chemicals from our home and stopping the polution that is
>released to the environment from our washing machine and dishwasher.

[Concerned Parent]

Laura
My name is Ryan and I appreciate your reply, I am sorry about your
bird! I have great story about a my family's budgie when I was growing
up... I am sorry to hear that your experience was not as good as my
family's. I do not have a bird now, I have a newborn and a two year
old that I care very much about. We are definately not one of the many
multi-level marketing companies out there. I know because I have been
introduced to many of them and most of the people I now work with at
Melaleuca lost big saving to them. If I may, I would like to respond
to your points.
First, the is a low $29 enrollment fee that is a one time fee. This
will get you started with there products and get you a packed business
kit showing you how to earn a residual income by refering others. The
marketing executives are subscribed to our business publications that
do cost $11 a year renewal, but that is it! When speaking of cost, if
you would like, I can send you a cost comparison of everyday products
compared to major brands purchased at Walmart.
2. The contract, this is necessary because of the terms and
conditions...the "strings" are the avenue in which we get a check back
from the company every month when we refer others (no quotas involved).
This allows us to make it a home-based business.
3. And believe me, I have tried other "natural cleaners"...the one's
that work are still harsh on the skin and hard to use in an enclosed
area because of the fumes. Others that are truly natural, or the kind
you make yourself, didn't work well enough for me to get rid of my
toxics like bleach, ammonia, tub/tile cleaner and others. We no longer
have any of these toxic cleaners and my family and I are safer.
4. My wife had talked to a person who would use the Melaleuca(tea
tree) oil on a canine that had doggy dermititis of some sort. I
personally would not promote the use of pure oil on animals these
smaller animals. I know that there are many species of tea tree oil
that have many different compositions. Our products use the purest
form of Melaleuca arternifolia that is proven to be the mildest and
most effective form.
Our company has been around for 20 years and is doing very well. The
founder and CEO is well known in the business world for his application
of moral principle when creating the "business law" that governs his
company. I would love to talk to you more to find out if you were a
customer or if you had a friend that was.

[Phisherman]

Not really. There are a few inexpensive items that clean
well--vinegar, household ammonia, dishwashing liquid, etc. Actually
the area in your home that contains the most bacteria might surprise
you. It's the kitchen sink. And the most effective way to kill
harmful bacteria in the sink is a small amount of soap, household
bleach, water, and a scrub brush (spray on and wipe is not at all that
good). Household bleach is a very effective cleaner, and not harmful
at all if you take a few precautions. Calling something "harmful" is
easy to say because even water can be poisonous. GO AWAY SPAMMER!
You have been plonked.


On 10 Feb 2005 20:55:09 -0800, "Concerned Parent"
<r_vongleich@hotmail.com> wrote:

>If any one is looking, I know a company where I buy natural cleaners
>(household and laundry) that are a wonderful blessing for familes. So
>far I have thrown away (not used up) my bleach products and other harsh
>chemicals and use only the new products...what a difference! I can now
>breath easy and know that my family is not being subjected to harmful
>chemical fillers. Is anyone interested? My wife and I were introduced
>a couple months back and now we are independant marketers of this
>company. We both truly believe in the importance of removing the
>harmful chemicals from our home and stopping the polution that is
>released to the environment from our washing machine and dishwasher.

[Vox Humana]

"Phisherman" <nobody@noone.com> wrote in message
news:kftr015lqn14g1l1avpmf5vcnjdr5e03ka@4ax.com...
> Not really. There are a few inexpensive items that clean
> well--vinegar, household ammonia, dishwashing liquid, etc. Actually
> the area in your home that contains the most bacteria might surprise
> you. It's the kitchen sink. And the most effective way to kill
> harmful bacteria in the sink is a small amount of soap, household
> bleach, water, and a scrub brush (spray on and wipe is not at all that
> good). Household bleach is a very effective cleaner, and not harmful
> at all if you take a few precautions. Calling something "harmful" is
> easy to say because even water can be poisonous. GO AWAY SPAMMER!
> You have been plonked.

Another thing that cleans well and is completely nontoxic (and nearly free)
is steam. Steam cleaners are available starting around $40 and up. You
never have to pay for any chemicals and there is no smell.

[Concerned Parent]

Hey Phisherman

I use the dish soap to clean the sink too, I come from a background in
Biology and I have a good working knowledge of bacteria and the whole
anti-bacterial craze. The dish soap that I use has no formaldehyde.
You are right about the vinegar, our glass cleaner utilizes this. But
ammonia?! If my two year old had gotten to the ammonia and drank it, I
would be praying for her life! The same with bleach...bleach kills all
bacteria and it his extremely caustic. Do you have children!? Bleach,
which is in the dishwashing liquid, does not go away that easily. It
is not like alcohol that evaporates. When you wash dishes in a dish
washer with the store brands, the bleach will reside on your plates and
reactivate when you put your hot food there and sit down to ingest it.


I am posting to one group. Spam and "SPAMMERS" send deceptive
advertising to thousands of people. I am a family man and I am not
deceptive. These are also my opinions and I am giving some the choice
to learn more so that they can choose for themselves. Check out
http://www.cbc.ca/consumers/market/media/cleaners_rm_030311.ram

[Vox Humana]

"Concerned Parent" <r_vongleich@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1108228535.792882.162020@f14g2000cwb.googlegr oups.com...
> Hey Phisherman
>
When you wash dishes in a dish
> washer with the store brands, the bleach will reside on your plates and
> reactivate when you put your hot food there and sit down to ingest it.

You do realize that there are a couple of rinse cycles after the wash cycle
in most dishwashers? There is no detergent residue left on the dishes
because it is RINSED OFF. Of course if you have some data to back-up your
assertion, please post a link.

[Choreboy]

Concerned Parent wrote:

> I use the dish soap to clean the sink too, I come from a background in
> Biology and I have a good working knowledge of bacteria and the whole
> anti-bacterial craze.

Then you must know adding household bleach to drinking water was one of
the first and most important steps in the anti-bacterial craze. It
saved so many lives it caused a population explosion.

> But
> ammonia?! If my two year old had gotten to the ammonia and drank it, I
> would be praying for her life!

Can anything be biologically more natural than ammonia?

> The same with bleach...bleach kills all
> bacteria and it his extremely caustic. Do you have children!? Bleach,
> which is in the dishwashing liquid, does not go away that easily. It
> is not like alcohol that evaporates. When you wash dishes in a dish
> washer with the store brands, the bleach will reside on your plates and
> reactivate when you put your hot food there and sit down to ingest it.

You must be thinking of calcium hypochlorite. Sodium hypochlorite tends
to turn to salt when it dries. Put 1 cc of bleach in a stainless pan,
then warm the pan to speed evaporation. Lick your fingertip, wipe it in
the residue, and taste. Salt!

Anyway, as a biologist, you must be aware that scientists gave mice
sodium hypochlorite over a long period and found no harm.

>
> I am posting to one group. Spam and "SPAMMERS" send deceptive
> advertising to thousands of people.

Spammers use the internet to push advertising on people.

> I am a family man and I am not
> deceptive.

What are you implying about unmarried men?

Sincerely,
Choreboy